tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-706934951863679787.post5982336154258829237..comments2023-06-02T04:54:07.811-04:00Comments on After Academe: Kerfufflerecent Ph.D.http://www.blogger.com/profile/01076749808434578362noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-706934951863679787.post-84869311523234516872013-06-02T10:52:12.029-04:002013-06-02T10:52:12.029-04:00Hahaha, so true: "Can you imagine spewing bul...Hahaha, so true: "Can you imagine spewing bullshit like this in a conference room in an important meeting? People would look at you like you had a mental disorder."<br /><br />There's a self defensive aspect to that behavior, too. People react to others' chocie to leave as if it were a criticism of their choice to stay and of the work that keeps them there. <br />recent Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01076749808434578362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-706934951863679787.post-66649865191056552252013-05-30T07:48:37.150-04:002013-05-30T07:48:37.150-04:00I view some of those CHE comments as intellectual ...I view some of those CHE comments as intellectual grandstanding. Writing replies and constructing passionate and highly emotional responses, rife with fifty dollar words and complex constructs, while simultaneously insulting and belittling anyone who dare oppose their complex construction of ideas, let alone be smart enough to understand the point they're trying to make. Who do YOU think you are? <br /><br />Can you imagine spewing bullshit like this in a conference room in an important meeting? People would look at you like you had a mental disorder. And yet, I read the comments in the CHE to be amused by those who "get off" (and I do mean that) writing unnecessarily complex and verbose comments just to prove who is smarter online. <br /><br />Sad. And yet still funny. The 2 Year Life of the Mindnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-706934951863679787.post-13851490774024293402013-05-24T19:50:42.883-04:002013-05-24T19:50:42.883-04:00totally agree with comradde. totally agree with comradde. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-706934951863679787.post-50202452386378268782013-05-20T17:27:03.809-04:002013-05-20T17:27:03.809-04:00There is nasty politics in every profession. Where...There is nasty politics in every profession. Where academia differs is in the disdain for and dehumanization of those who leave. For example, when an attorney leaves a law firm for a corporation, former colleagues are happy to maintain relationships and see the former colleague as a potential future client or referral. It is the narcissism of academia that leads academics to the delusion that they have no use for anyone who is not an academic. Of course, if your field of scholarly inquiry is Ancient Greek Basketweaving, you are probably correct. Comradde PhysioProffenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-706934951863679787.post-30412618311413577372013-05-20T17:22:38.500-04:002013-05-20T17:22:38.500-04:00i agree life is better out of the academy, but in ...i agree life is better out of the academy, but in my old corporate life (before the phd) i have to say I found the workplace a pretty petty and backstabby kind of place. i'm sure it varies from office to office. <br /><br />the ad hominem over at the chronicle doesn't surprise me. people tend to get really defensive and nasty when they know they are wrong. <br /><br />I'm with you (and your commenters) - I'm so glad to be out of that nastiness - observing from the outside where they can't touch me. dwerrleinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05917174708039425122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-706934951863679787.post-35969016914037198412013-05-20T09:38:53.995-04:002013-05-20T09:38:53.995-04:00I have to admit, I've been a little bit taken ...I have to admit, I've been a little bit taken aback by the level of vitriol. The people at the CHE who are trying to say that RS is some kind of unstable mental case and that clearly that's why she hasn't gotten a job? Oh, please.<br /><br />(And even if that were true? Fine. But what about the other 10,000 Ph.D. graduates over the last 5 years who haven't gotten jobs? Are they all personally to blame?? Keep on telling yourselves that...)<br /><br />All in all, the whole kerfuffle has had the opposite effect than they thought it would - I'm newly motivated to post more. What the hell do I have to lose? I'm out of academia ... they can't hurt me!JChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04468758055878600762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-706934951863679787.post-34625868767759257622013-05-20T09:31:44.396-04:002013-05-20T09:31:44.396-04:00Oh, please don't feel bad. I can handle me a t...Oh, please don't feel bad. I can handle me a troll now and again! As I commented over at your place, that post needed to see the light of day again and judging by the number of hits it's gotten from the Chronicle link relative to the minimal amount of troll blather, I'd say a lot more people read it and got what was meant to be gotten out of it. So thanks for putting the link there! Even if I haven't been saying a whole lot lately and have been staying out of the kerfluffles, I have no intention of shutting up either. It's really quite extraordinary -- that push to get us to shut up. Like, really? If things are so great, they should be able to take a little noise on our end more graciously. But then, as you and I both know, things aren't really so great ...recent Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01076749808434578362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-706934951863679787.post-12564372341736837762013-05-20T07:14:17.430-04:002013-05-20T07:14:17.430-04:00I left academia after 5 years, and I have had a si...I left academia after 5 years, and I have had a similar experience: the nasty politics that I saw daily in academia do not exist outside of it. People treat each other professionally because that's part of the job! <br /><br />Life is soooo much better out of the academy! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-706934951863679787.post-85228053528518542592013-05-19T23:13:49.516-04:002013-05-19T23:13:49.516-04:00Hey, I really do feel bad about bringing a troll o...Hey, I really do feel bad about bringing a troll over here....I took your link out of my comment over there. They aren't showing up at my place, so it seems pretty shitty to bring them over here.<br /><br />Glad to see you're doing well!JChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04468758055878600762noreply@blogger.com